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Catalysis Resident Posted by in General - July 16, 2013, 1:01 am

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Since we can no longer advertise the things we offer on our land, please know that there will ALWAYS be raffles running for great fishing related prizes, and a mega sploder active to win BIG money! I cannot afford to run multies that often, so this is the only way I have left to advertise the products and services I offer to the fishing community!  I thank you all for your continued support!


Hedonism Resort - Three buoys & supplies for sale! See teleporters for buoy locations (Red) (B) (Y) Supplies prices adjusted daily depending on current ingredient prices.
http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Ceres/25/63/23


Check out our current raffles in the mall to win things like Shubbies, Worm Farms, and Potions!


**MEGA SPLODER - $100L TO ENTER *SET TO 'SPLODE' AT $10,000L!**
http://maps.secondlife.com/secondlife/Ceres/63/82/753

I am amending this just a bit... the buoys are still there, for now.. the mega sploder is now located near the red buoy, on the ground level, in the club. Raffles may or may not run at this point, none are active right now. I'm really quite disgusted with the constantly changing policies and apparent lack of concern for the land owners who have, and continue to invest so much. Thank you all for your continued support, while there please vote and tp around to see what's currently happening on the land!

 


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Elora Danick
July 16, 2013, 2:28 am -

I normally don't get involved, but I have a small opinion on this -- I host a red buoy now -- and if I don't personally advertise my buoy in chat, then nobody knows about it really. Even with bonus bio, I get a lot less traffic then my yellow with more tax. There is no popups for it (like events) -- and honestly, as a coin hunter as well, I'm going too fast to stop and hit the blog link.. just my opinion, is all.


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Valkyujra Resident
July 16, 2013, 6:30 am -

I have to agree with Elora and Cat on this one, I mean...think about how much a buoy costs, Its kinda like you're saying...I'll take your money now but wait...I'm going to make it harder for you to make your money back. LGH chat shouldn't be a chit-chat-chum-text-box. It should be filled with everything LGH, Information, questions, Answers, Links, SLurl's, and ANYTHING LGH related, people are paying you, Wili, for a service and it's almost as if your cuttng off the foot to save the rest of the body and doing it without even consulting the body before making that choice. How about you make a seperate LGH chat for everyone who wants to chit chat about nonsense and leave LGH chat for LGH events, sims, and products you created. Mostly anyone who Hunts, joins LGH chat, so only LGH chat provides the best and most of the services people are paying you for. Three buoys...thats alot of money to get upfront and you are getting paid to increase the traffic on the people's sims...and I understand......."spamming" is what you are preventing here but lets be honest here, you have mods that can take care of spammers, issue warning, and eject people. In addition to that We are the hunters and there are so many of us...you can't make all of us happy at the same time..You can try but...it will blow up in your face. I think you should try to concentrate on fixing the problems with the products you have out and leave the LGH chat to the mods....and if you don't have enough mods....get more. I watch LGH like  hawk and IMHO I'd much rather see the links, the products, the places, what your service...has to offer me is what I'd like to see, no drama, no problems and everyone gets what they want. LGH chat is the only place your customers get the most for the bucks they shove into your pockets, its easy, its convienient, and seriously, if someone is complaining ~facepalm~ I mean for real people...close the damn chat if you don't want to see the things people are going out of THEIR way to provide for YOU.

~Wipes her forhead~  Let's not forget the tax on the buoys depending on color. This is my opinion I don't want any problems or some drawn out explaination just fix the things that need to be fixed...Wili,your time is much better spent focusing on tickets and fixing the broken or unfinished products you have out. LGH is a masterpieice and you're a Genius, but your spreading yourself a bit thin here. Its not my intention to patronize or condesend I've been told I come off that way... but this is just my personality, this is just who I am. The topic was discussed and I added my 2 cents. People shouldn't spam the chat with what they have for other hunters, Mods are there for this very reason, time has been wasted...I'm going to go back to fishing now, GL Hunters!


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Keeblo Resident
July 16, 2013, 9:45 am -

Sure seems like there are far more automated messages about declaring "war" on each other for Kingdoms and Empires (which many of us don't even play at all) and "Megafish" announcements in LGH group chat than any land owner trying to promote their LGH related services. To now make a new issue of the messages that land owners put up only appears to be mistaking activity for accomplishment or perhaps staying busy, but not really making progress for the company...focusing on the wrong thing.

 

In my humble opinion, if there are complaints about too many group chat messages, individuals should just block/mute the people they dislike seeing messages from. If the company wants to reduce group chat spam altogether, it'd be far better to ban/stop all of the "war" messages and "megafish" announcements before telling land owners they are the problem.


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Catalysis Resident
July 16, 2013, 11:46 am -

Thanks for the comments all, in the spirit of full disclosure, I do want to add that in the course of this conversation last night, Wili did tone down his new rule a bit. But, in the end, I'm still not clear what from 'time to time' really means.

The original announcement was this:
[2013/07/15 16:37]  CEO of Second Ads (wili.clip): Limited inputs in LGH chat about filled buoys and potions for sale were allowed in past. But lately more and more of players in our community are getting annoyed about repeated promotional notices in the group chat that are starting to look a lot like automated bot messages
 
 Please use goldtokens.net blog service with your land profile for purpose of promoting your local potion store.
 When you do a Gold Rush or Fish Hunt players access it through link of your profile page and they can see your offers there
By the end of our blog conversation it turned into this:
Catalysis you can announce your buoys and potions you sell time to time in group chat. I don't see any problem with that. Just don't overdo it.

Thank you all for your replies, we have a couple of really good ideas here.  I've been saying for a while now that I think K&E needs its own chat. Between the large amount of spam announcements and growing number of members with questions, it deserves its own chat and mods. In addition having more than one group for LGH is a great idea too. I belong to a breedables group, that I of course wont mention the name, but they have a general chat group, and a separate group for advertising. They enforce it, no ads in the chat group, and it works very well for them.

 


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Goldtokens
October 6, 2014, 2:59 pm -

In addition having more than one group for LGH is a great idea too. I belong to a breedables group, that I of course wont mention the name, but they have a general chat group, and a separate group for advertising. They enforce it, no ads in the chat group, and it works very well for them.

That is not a bad idea. We could create a special group for advertising ingame stuff. Players would send commercial notices about the game in that advertising group - for example:

- a shubbie for sale, land for farms, land plot for snuffles, potions for sale and their prices.

Then every player that would need something would join that group and get information on different offers...

Opinions?


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Elora Danick
July 16, 2013, 2:41 pm -
I apologize ahead of time because I am writing this on my phone so it might look horrible if I type to fast. I think that tge main group should be the advertising one. We buy the product for traffic, and if we cannot get the attention of the players then why fill it? I dont think also that the payers would go for another group. I think I have 5 Or six already for products and support. I really think that the secondary chat if made wpuld be better off being chat because landwners would lose out on a major audience for the products. And I agree with keeblo, the was and mega fish and gold rush chat combined is starting to become a bit excessive in my opinion. I only go in lgh now to advertise my red buoy that gets little attention and then close it because I can never see the chat happening or the sale/events people host anympre. There is my 6 am phone written opinion lol.
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Elora Danick
July 16, 2013, 2:43 pm -
Ps. Wow I have a lot of typos and if it doesnt make sence ask me Ill reply at my work lunch after having coffee in me. Lol
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Goldtokens
October 6, 2014, 2:59 pm -

*Hi5*


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Kandie Foxclaw
July 16, 2013, 9:08 pm -

I have (soon to be had) 2 Buoys on my land I brought them to get people in . I do not have coins or do I host events so with the new advertisment rules I will get no more people so when my buoys are empty they will be pulled from the water. Other may have made this game but it is the Landowners who pay the bills, without us there would be no game


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Catalysis Resident
July 17, 2013, 4:03 am -

I'm sorry to hear that Kandie, I fish your red buoy alot, but I totally understand where you're coming from. I've honestly considered doing the same thing, there are much cheaper ways to raise traffic numbers. I just really like the people, having them visit, and some of them do eventually become customers to the businesses I'm working so hard to bring traffic to.

I guess I'll see how it goes, I cant afford to do events very often at all, so if my reduced ability to advertise really makes my traffic drop alot, it wont be worth it to put money in the buoys anymore for me either. I've been trying to do the raffle thing, to make a little bit of money to help fund the buoys. If I cant advertise them much, tickets wont sell. I've already invested in 3 large prizes that the raffles are half done and ticket sales have stalled. So unless i find another solution, I'm stuck with prizes I dont need or want. Not sure what the answer it at this point, kinda stumped.  I dont see much conversation taking place about an advertising group for lgh being formed. Replies in this blog havent really adressed that. I guess wili thought it was an ok idea, but not many have backed it up, so I dont see that happening any time soon.


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digitalbleh Resident
July 17, 2013, 12:19 pm -

My 2 cents.. prob not even wanted.. but here goes.

Cat you spam a 7 or 8 line advertisement in LGH chat, i log the chat you claim you do not spam it, ive seen you post your 7 or 8 line add in that chat once an hours for 5 hours straight.

ppl get banned for mentioning an no ADS product but yet you spam a add for sploders, which ads prodcuts does not own. and you for the most part get away with it, while other ppl have been warned and ejected.

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I think you should be allowed to advertise in the LGH group, but not a 7 line advertisement, and not for non ADS products. That is my true opinion.  We all pay our rl money for our bouys, our rl money to keep them running, our rl money for the land. Just so some fisher can gain some amount of L and wili can get alot richer. It should be our right to advertise our bouys.  But not a 7/8 line add with other products.

 


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Catalysis Resident
July 17, 2013, 12:26 pm -

All opinions are welcome. If they werent I wouldnt have made it a public blog people could reply to.

I think "once an hours for 5 hours straight." is a SEVERE exaggeration, but ok.  Again, that's what mute is for, feel free to use it.  I see people spamming their cast chats all damn day long, I find it annoying, so I mute them. Honestly, I give a crap if a person just caught a .33L fish... but thats just me.

Also, the understanding has always been, that if you host second ads games, you can advertise ALL the services on your land. Lots of people do.  But have no fear, I'm so over all this bs.. having spent 10's of thousands of lindens on second ads products to drive traffic to my land, then being told we cant advertise what we're actually driving traffic to.

I put my 'from time to time' ad in chat yesterday once, and a much smaller ad than normal that really doesnt give people any info. But whatever, I'm now stuck with three large SECOND ADS products that i dont want or need, cuz I cant advertise and raffle tickets have stopped selling. Soon, I'll go the same route as Kandie and just get rid of all this crap and get my traffic a more cost effect way.

 


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digitalbleh Resident
July 17, 2013, 12:33 pm -

Im not saying this to be agianst you cat ;p

The TOS of goldtokens does state and has allways stated:

Group Chatroom Policy

6.0 - Group Chatroom Rules

6.3 - Advertising non ADS products, services, companies or begging is not permitted in group chat.

You broke this rule, and only this rule, if you want to post a 7 line advertisement, fine i do know how to ignore, but i do not use the function ;p as i said we as landowners should be allowed to advetise. It should be our right as our funds pay for this whole network of games. Anyway im not here to make enemies i allready have alot of ppl that hate me. Id say keep spamming the add, just leave out the sploder.

 


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Catalysis Resident
July 17, 2013, 12:38 pm -

Your opinion is noted, but at this point irrelevant. I'm done advertising in there.  I'm about done with second ads altogether. I'm seriously considering getting rid of all this crap, and just fishing up other peoples money for a change.

And I dont mean this against you either, but honestly your opinion means little to me... you are one of the few, that for whatever personal reason, is driving traffic to ....nothing.  You have second ads TRAFFIC BUILDING system on a land that has nothing else on it. Your choice, and I'm sure you have your reasons, but for the vast majority of us, we got into this because we have businesses we are trying to promote.


digitalbleh Resident
July 17, 2013, 12:38 pm -

Im not saying this to be agianst you cat ;p

The TOS of goldtokens does state and has allways stated:

Group Chatroom Policy

6.0 - Group Chatroom Rules

6.3 - Advertising non ADS products, services, companies or begging is not permitted in group chat.

You broke this rule, and only this rule, if you want to post a 7 line advertisement, fine i do know how to ignore, but i do not use the function ;p as i said we as landowners should be allowed to advetise. It should be our right as our funds pay for this whole network of games. Anyway im not here to make enemies i allready have alot of ppl that hate me. Id say keep spamming the add, just leave out the sploder.

 


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digitalbleh Resident
July 17, 2013, 12:27 pm -

My 2 cents.. prob not even wanted.. but here goes.

Cat you spam a 7 or 8 line advertisement in LGH chat, i log the chat you claim you do not spam it, ive seen you post your 7 or 8 line add in that chat once an hours for 5 hours straight.

ppl get banned for mentioning an no ADS product but yet you spam a add for sploders, which ads prodcuts does not own. and you for the most part get away with it, while other ppl have been warned and ejected.

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I think you should be allowed to advertise in the LGH group, but not a 7 line advertisement, and not for non ADS products. That is my true opinion.  We all pay our rl money for our bouys, our rl money to keep them running, our rl money for the land. Just so some fisher can gain some amount of L and wili can get alot richer. It should be our right to advertise our bouys.  But not a 7/8 line add with other products.

 


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Catalysis Resident
July 17, 2013, 12:30 pm -

refreshing the page posts your blog again, another 'bug' on the to-do list they havent gotten around to fixing...


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Elora Danick
July 17, 2013, 2:29 pm -
Now reading the new posts I think consistency is an issue. Ive had higher ups say its fine to advertise my studio services In group as long as its along side secondads advertising.. but now I see the ToS. Now im lost and confused on whats the real deal. Too many different answers, I tjink we just need one solid, thought out plan, idea, rule and call it a day cause this is confusing me. Lol
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Catalysis Resident
July 17, 2013, 2:34 pm -

/agree 100%

First it was said in chat, dont do it period even if it is product related. Then it was do it 'from time to time' is ok. Then it was product related is ok, but nothing else.  Then I was in chat this morning and watched someone put an ad in chat that had a mention of their buoys, then a list about 6 items long of non-secondads breedables, and other products and services. Not a word was said to them, not sure a mod was even in the room...

I'm so over it its not funny.  I wont be advertising anymore in there, and as I've stated above, seriously considering getting rid of all my second ads traffic building stuff and just fishing and actually making a profit for a change.


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Catalysis Resident
July 18, 2013, 11:47 am -

Well I guess the number of people compaining about NOT being able to advertise outweighed the number of people complaining about spam.  No new group for advertising has been mentioned again, but now this is the latest from Wili.

"Last time when notice was sent about limiting advertising - the text might have confused some people as it was written in late morning hours and it came out confusing.
The purpose was not to ban advertising of game related thing in group chat - just to tone it down a bit (for example using shorter text without empty lines  that would make the notice cover whole chat window).
Land owners who are using products are welcome to advertise game related items
Those that would prefer not to see it can use mute."

So, we can advertise again I guess and long as they're not to... big and spammy.... hell if I know... lmao


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Goldtokens
October 6, 2014, 2:59 pm -

All blog entries on goldtokens.net are advertised for free in every 2nd message received by a coin hunter who collects a coin. So that is on every 2nd coin that is collected.

We've created land profiles for land owners for them to be able to put their message forward to the community of players in a more subtle and nicer manner. Some tools on this website are still being worked on and we're constantly looking for new solutions.


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Catalysis Resident
July 16, 2013, 1:32 am -

 

"All blog entries on goldtokens.net are advertised for free in every 2nd message received by a coin hunter who collects a coin. So that is on every 2nd coin that is collected."


That's all well and good, and very nice. Unfortunately I dont have coins on my land, and the products and services I offer are all fishing related. Coin hunters are not gonna care much what I have going on at my place.

Thanks for the reply, and for jumping into MY group to contradict me and defend your decision based on a couple of complaints.  We have been announcing that our buoys are stocked and ready to go, and what services and products we currently have available since I started fishing and funding THREE buoys over a year and a half ago. Suddenly a couple people complain and policy changes.  I'd like to complain about the people who think we give a crap what kind of fish they just caught and spam the chat constantly with their cast stats.  Can you ban that too please?

 


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Kandie Foxclaw
July 17, 2013, 7:04 pm -

Thank you Cat for the kind words about my place, just let me say I have nothing to sell on my land I put the buoys out as a way to pay back into the game. I enjoy fishing and the people I run into and as a so called top fisher I thought it was only right to give back. Now the rules once again have changed in the middle of the game and you can not put ads for your land in the group chat.....but yet you still pay that tax every time you fill your buoy. I just think the owners of this game should step back and look at where their lindens come from...THE LANDOWNERS just my thought on this issue

Have a great day


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Kandie Foxclaw
July 17, 2013, 7:05 pm -

Thank you Cat for the kind words about my place, just let me say I have nothing to sell on my land I put the buoys out as a way to pay back into the game. I enjoy fishing and the people I run into and as a so called top fisher I thought it was only right to give back. Now the rules once again have changed in the middle of the game and you can not put ads for your land in the group chat.....but yet you still pay that tax every time you fill your buoy. I just think the owners of this game should step back and look at where their lindens come from...THE LANDOWNERS just my thought on this issue

Have a great day


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Goldtokens
October 6, 2014, 2:59 pm -

A lot of fishers are also coin hunters and vice versa.

You were not banned. Those that advertise their local potion stores were asked to use the goldtokens.net blog service and land profile to let players know on their offers.

Catalysis you can announce your buoys and potions you sell time to time in group chat. I don't see any problem with that. Just don't overdo it.

In the meanwhile we will be looking for more ways for land owners to be able to get their desired message to the members of community in a more subtle and effective ways.

 

 


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Catalysis Resident
July 16, 2013, 2:24 am -

Thanks Wili, I understand I was not banned. But LGH chat is the best way to reach the most fishers, to let them know what we have to offer them.

I dont think I ever overdid it, and dont intend to go crazy spamming chat. I usually do it first thing in the morning when I load the buoys for the day, once in the afternoon, and once at night, in an effort to reach the most people in the most different time zones. If someone found that to be too much, there's a mute button for that, just as I mute people who spam the chat all day long with their cast stats.

Your original announcement made it sound like it was no longer allowed at all, now you're saying 'from time to time is ok'. Alot left to interpretation there, but I appreciate your attention to this, and all my blog posts.  LOL


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